In the build up to the Forum Synergies European Rural Sustainability Gathering 17-20th May, we continue our focus on grassroots initiatives in Greece. Here, ARC2020 President Hannes Lorenzen interviews Panagiotis Sainatoudis and Vasso Kanellopoulou. The interview took place at the 17th seed festival of Peliti and the first international Olympic Seed festival in Peliti, Drama, Greece 20-22 April 2017.
Peliti is a voluntary, non-profit organization and movement based near Drama in Greece, working for the preservation of agricultural biodiversity through collection and exchange of traditional seeds.
The movement was launched by Panagiotis Sainatoudis in the year 1995 and since 2000 Peliti organizes yearly gatherings of seed savers on the national level. In addition Peliti has 18 local groups all around the country that continuously work with schools and local communities for the promotion of agro-biodiversity. Vasso Kanellopoulou is a volunteer for Peliti for the last 10 years working on raising awareness through public speeches, on international cooperation and on legal issues.
Hannes Lorenzen You have invited the seed savers of the world to meet in Drama for the first Olympic seed festival. What is the new Olympic dimension of Peliti’s engagement in seed saving?
Panagiotis Sainatoudis You may remember that in war periods during ancient times, Olympic games were connected with a truce between the fighting parties – so with the Olympic Seed Festival we are trying to do the same. We want to stop war with nature. We want to give seeds – the beginning of life – a new peaceful role. Seeds should become the tool and the symbol for making farming more sustainable. If more people take better care of their seeds and understand how much of their lives and future depends on them, we will be able to create a more reliable food system.
Hannes Lorenzen Your seed movement is based entirely on voluntary work of seed savers and distributors. Is that strong enough to face the growing concentration of power of a handful of seed companies?
Panagiotis Sainatoudis I believe our strength lies in our ambition to build upon our cultural heritage and the principle of commons. We share our seeds free of charge because they belong to all of us. But if you receive seeds for free you also share responsibility of reproducing them and sharing them again. This creates strong links between us, much more than money does. We must first change ourselves before we can change the world around us. We can no longer delegate responsibility to politicians. We must take responsibility for our common future. In the past we have invested much energy in fighting what is going wrong with farming and food. Now we check our possibilities to make a difference. It does not help to complain that poverty is growing in our country. We want to offer practical solutions. If you have no job and nothing to eat seeds are a solution to grow and have food. Once this simple truth is understood much can change.
Hannes Lorenzen What can Peliti and its seeds contribute to overcome the ongoing crisis in Greece?
Vasso Kanellopoulou The recent economical crisis is just a reflection of the general crisis we are in for a long time. Our politicians seem to have lost track of what is happening. They do not rule any more. They have given up on the rules international companies impose on us. We are not against global cooperation. We are against global corporations ruling us. Working with seed movements around the world we create and protect diversity from our own cultural roots and understanding. We are easily crossing borders. We work with initiatives in Turkey, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Western Balkans and Syria. But we know our strength lies in our own country Greece.
Hannes Lorenzen From a legal point of view you are working on difficult territory. European and national legislation on seeds is not very favorable for agro-biodiversity.
Vasso Kanellopoulou You are right seed legislation is bad and it should change, but it is not the biggest problem. I am also worried about the state of mind of agronomists, researchers and breeders. Quite a few of them seem to believe that the seed laws we are opposing are good. They believe exclusively in the purity of varieties which is of course important but evolution and adaptation are also very important and should not be neglected. They neglect evolution by agreeing to limit traditional seeds to their place of “origin” – actually place of adaptation – and they seem not to want farmers and seed savers to develop and spread genetic diversity. But if we want to be prepared for climate change and unforeseen diseases we must create a broader gene pool, more possibilities to cope with the coming challenges. If even a number of agronomists do not share that view, I am really worried were we go.
Hannes Lorenzen It seems that in the US there is space in spreading traditional varieties more freely. There are more than 200 catalogues of traditional varieties without breeders rights offering diversity for farmers and gardeners. Should Europe follow that path?
Vasso Kanellopoulou I found the presentation of Shannon McCabe very interesting. The catalogue of her company is freely offering a lot of traditional seeds, a part of that collected in Europe and reproduced in the US. Why is that not possible here? Take the example of our traditional Greek salad: Tomatoes, feta cheese, cucumber, onions. The tomatoes were introduced 200 years ago by a French monk. We have developed a wide range of “local varieties” from that over time with very rich taste and colours. The variety is there because the seeds have been able to travel and adapt to the different local soils and micro-climates. So let the seeds travel and find out what is best.
Our approach of voluntary work is powerful as it raises awareness and strengthens the social movement, but the American business approach exclusively for traditional seeds – and of course not for GMOs – is also very interesting. In any case, seeds must get out of control of the corporations and into hands of as many farmers and gardeners as possible so that diversity can grow again.
Hannes Lorenzen was senior adviser to the Committee on Agriculture and Rural Development of the European Parliament in Brussels and Strasbourg from 1985 to 2019. Before starting his career in the European institutions, he carried out research, coordination and evaluation work on rural development projects with the Technical Service of the German Government. On the international level Hannes Lorenzen is co-founder of Genetic Resources Action International (www.grain.org) and co-president of the European Rural Development Network Forum Synergies (www.forum-synergies.eu). He is also co-founder of PREPARE, the "Partnership for Rural Europe" network for Central and Eastern European Member States (www.preparenetwork.org), serving as chairman and president until 2016. He co-founded ARC2020 and is its president since 2016. Closer to home, Hannes chairs a local rural development organization on his home island of Pellworm in North Friesland, Germany, which works o organic farming, renewable energy production, soft tourism and nature protection projects in a local dimension.
Hannes Lorenzen a été conseiller auprès de la Commission de l’Agriculture et du Développement Rural du Parlement Européen à Bruxelles et à Strasbourg de 1985 à 2019. Avant d’entamer sa carrière au sein des institutions européennes, il a effectué des travaux de recherche, de coordination et d’évaluation de projets de développement rural au sein du service coopération du gouvernement allemand. Au niveau international, Hannes LORENZEN est co-fondateur de Forum Synergies, réseau européen de développement rural (www.forum-synergies.eu). Il a cofondé ARC2020 et en est le président depuis 2016. Hannes préside aussi une organisation locale de développement rural sur son île natale de PELLWORM, en Allemagne. Cette organisation travaille sur des projets d’agriculture biologique, de production d’énergie renouvelable, de tourisme doux et de protection de la nature à l’échelle locale. Sur l’île il est aussi engagé avec des jeunes agriculteurs dans le développement et la reproduction des semences paysannes en bio et la biodiversité en agriculture. Hannes a toujours vu l’agriCulture française au cœur de l’intégration européenne. L’amour et le respect des français pour leurs paysans et l’appréciation de la “bonne bouffe” ont aussi été une flammèche pour se lancer dans cette nouvelle aventure du projet “La résilience de nos compagnes” de ARC2020. Même si un petit virus empêche Hannes de voyager pour l’instant, il est déjà en route pour rencontrer plein de monde qui bouge pour une transition juste et attirante…
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